Transcript of irc://irc.freenode.net#accessibility 2006-11-30

Note that times are per Adelaide, daylight saving (UCT +1030)

09:26 <Liddy>	Good Morning
09:26 <msmiffy>	Hi Liddy - was just saying we hadn't seen anyone from there yet!
09:27 <Liddy>	We started with traffic problems but managed to compile a list of FAQs.
09:27 <Liddy>	We will work more on these and put them up on the OZeWAI FAQ - and return to see how they grow tomorrow.
09:27 <Liddy>	I can't find the wiki right now!
09:27 <Liddy>	Right now, Johann is talking about what is happening in the ANZ bank -
09:28 <Liddy>	he's told us about himself and his personal experiences
09:28 <Liddy>	ANZ has 30,000 employees and 6,000,000 customers
09:29 <Liddy>	ANZ is employing people with disabilities
09:30 <Liddy>	it is important that everyone understands what is required and what is possible
09:30 <Liddy>	people in ANZ did not think it wasimportant.
09:30 <Liddy>	Johann is the only person working on this in the 30,000!
09:32 <Liddy>	there are policies but there are disconnects in admin and between clients and providers - it's quite hard (he says!).
09:33 <Liddy> Johann says it is mostly about people not knowing...they have often herd of discrim policies
09:34 <Liddy> he says that emotional connection is the most powerful
09:35 <Liddy> he says to put emphasis on people with disabilities and then all the others will benefit too
09:38 <Liddy> real experiences using the tools helps a lot
09:38 <Liddy> aim is to make ANZ 'disability confident'
09:40 <msmiffy> Folks: the channel logger died earlier and hasn't come back.  I started logging locally when Liddy joined and will post the transcript to the Web.  Will advise URI.
09:42 <Liddy> instead of carrots and sticks he suggests 5 steps - assert, promote, educate, regulate, refine
09:43 <Liddy> oh dear - re the logger
09:47 <msmiffy> Jim (the man behind the logger) doesn't appear to be on #swig, so I've mailed him to advise of the problem.
09:52 <Liddy> Johann has set up a network that cuts across the hierarchies etc and has 100 poeple at all levels of management involved...
09:53 <Liddy> next session will be one fom Mat Mirabella - you can find his presentations by going to the OZeWAI program and downloading them ... also you can find mine - Jan's was too big!
09:54 <Liddy> nope - you have to go here to find Mat's presentations: http://www.ozewai.org/2006/presentations/mirabella.zip
09:58 <Liddy> Charles Silverman is also sending a presentation but we have no link to it yet
10:02 <BehzadK> hello all
10:12 <Liddy> hi behz
10:33 <BehzadK> reading the logs -- when i have breaks --- interesting stuff. Liked the presentation on Wikipedia yesterday
10:35 <Dey> Mat Mirabella on MP3/Mobile devices
10:35 <Dey> will talk about available devices and accessibility
10:36 <Dey> screen readers/enlargers for mobile handsets - TALKS and ZOOMS from Nuance
10:37 <Dey> work on Nokias in the 6600 range
10:37 <Dey> Also MobileSpea and MobileMagnifier from CodeFactory
10:37 <Dey> give access to nearly all phone features: address book, calendar, SMS, web browsing (latest versions only)
10:38 <Dey> Accessible sites should be accessible on mobile devices
10:39 <Dey> Mat is now giving us a demo
10:41 <Dey> pda phones - similar software is available
10:41 <Dey> works only on windows mobile 2003 and 5.0 devices
10:44 <Liddy> note that Mat'[s presentation is available at http://www.ozewai.org/2006/presentations/mirabella.zip
11:05 <ScottRippon> Question asked: Is this like the early days of technology?  Expensive add-ons or hacks.  What is Telstra in particular looking at doing?
11:06 <ScottRippon> Looking at packaging features to give access.
11:07 <ScottRippon> Would be excellent if phone creators integrated text-to-speech and visual options into the phones they were manufacturing.
11:10 * chaals waves from Japan - will see some of you tomorrow...
11:11 <ScottRippon> Comment from audience: There needs to put more pressure onto the manufactures.
11:13 <ScottRippon> Speaker reply: There are pros and cons with having this assistive technology built in or available as an add-on.
11:16 <ScottRippon> Comment from audience: Another model available which is to build the tech into the system (eg. GNU/Linux ? Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/).  Many benefits including free and encourages community participation.
11:17 <ScottRippon> Speakers reply: This works well when they are good quality options.  There is a possibility that built in option discourage 3rd party creators to develop something.
11:17 <ScottRippon> Presentation finished.
11:18 <ScottRippon> Asking audience if they have projects that they would like to subscribe and like help with.
11:18 <ScottRippon> Dey Alexander is looking to do research on web content research.
11:19 <ScottRippon> Looking for people with contact to vision impaired users.
11:19 <ScottRippon> http://deyalexander.com.au/contact/
11:19 <ScottRippon> Research session will  be roughly 90mins long.
11:19 <ScottRippon> Participant will be paid to their time.
11:20 <ScottRippon> Sessions will/can take place in their workplaces/homes.
11:22 <ScottRippon> Audience members who weren't here yesterday are introducing themselves.
11:26 <ScottRippon> Just setting up video conference for next presentation.
11:26 <ScottRippon> Which is...
11:26 <ScottRippon> CapScribe: Annotation of video content
11:26 <ScottRippon> Presenter: Charles Silverman, University of Toronto
11:29 <ScottRippon> http://www.capscribe.com/
11:32 <ScottRippon> Stretch project:
11:32 <ScottRippon> Collaborate with artists and accessibility technologists to create inclusive and accessible online content.
11:32 <ScottRippon> Explore themes of inclusion from different perspectives.
11:32 <ScottRippon> Use of accessibility feature as tools for artists as well as features of accessibilities.
11:33 <Dey> Background info on this project at Charles blog: http://www.bubbler.net/5A-home/20106
11:35 <ScottRippon> http://stretch.atrc.utoronto.ca/
11:40 <ScottRippon> Captioning is universal.
11:40 <ScottRippon> There are many people that benefit from captioning.
11:44 <ScottRippon> Lots of challenges.  For example how do you describe a piece of art?
16:16 <ScottRippon> Moving your organisation to web standards
16:16 <ScottRippon> Priscilla Brice-Weller, Matt Magain, WSG
16:17 <ScottRippon> What is the Web Standards Group (WSG)?
16:17 <ScottRippon> http://webstandardsgroup.org/
16:18 <ScottRippon> Global community interested in web standards.
16:18 <ScottRippon> 4,000 members in 100 countries.
16:18 <ScottRippon> 20 core members (volunteers).
16:19 <ScottRippon> Email list and meeting.
16:22 <ScottRippon> On the email list you can...
16:24 <ScottRippon> Site checks, Technical problems, Accessibility, Usability, Content Management Systems, Best practice, Promoting web standards, etc.
16:38 <ScottRippon> Priscilla Brice-Weller, Website coordinator Oxfam Australia (http://www.oxfam.org.au/)
16:39 <ScottRippon> Inspiration from...
16:39 <ScottRippon> Web Essentials 04 accessibility presentation.
16:41 <ScottRippon> A List Apart (http://alistapart.com/) and WaSP (http://www.webstandards.org/)
16:42 <ScottRippon> CSS Zengarden (http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/)
16:42 <ScottRippon> Web Standards Group.
16:46 <ScottRippon> Have moved from table-based design which had validation issues to a to standards based approach.
16:47 <ScottRippon> Slides can be found on Priscilla's blog: http://www.solidariti.com/resources